Ni arrears payment

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  • #282842
    peham28
    Participant

    Customer applies for CTR, has £14k in capital (working age) They then spend £11k buying NI credits as not enough paid whilst working abroad, so not full entitlement to SRP – he is 54.
    Can we allow that as legitimate expenditure, and not deprivation?

    #282845
    Andy Thurman
    Keymaster

    Given it is ‘official’ advice to ensure you make up for missing NI credits, the primary purpose of the spending is to secure the full pension. As such, it cannot be stated they have “deprived [themselves of it] for the purpose of securing entitlement to” CTR.

    #282846
    pbirks
    Participant

    Im 54 – yopu only need 10 years of NI credits to get a full pension now
    https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension

    bearing in miond his retirment age is 67, he still has more than enough time to get hi NI stamps before he retires

    Noit sure what the point of buying more credits was – you cant get more than the new state pension amount buy buying extrad credits ( it makes no odds if you have 10 yesar of credits or 40 years of credit m the SRP you get is the same amount)

    #282849
    Andy Thurman
    Keymaster

    It’s says 10 years to get any state pension (not the full amount) as explained on that same gov.uk link. They would not have made up the missing years unless there was a shortfall.
    This is currently being ‘promoted’:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64881745

    #282852
    John Boxall
    Participant

    https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/your-national-insurance-record-and-your-state-pension

    You’ll need 35 qualifying years to get the new full State Pension if you do not have a National Insurance record before 6 April 2016.

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #282855
    Mike Hughes
    Participant

    It would be ludicrous to treat this as deprivation as the promotion of exactly this has led to a veritable deluge and something of a backlog. In thirty seven years I have come across enquiries about a voluntary NI payment once maybe every couple of years. Recently I dealt with about twelve in one day. The campaign is hugely successful albeit that in the majority of cases I have seen no real benefit to the payment. That’s nothing to the point here though.

    You will note that said campaign does not add the caveat that if you’re currently in receipt of means-tested benefits or just outside of that there is a risk of deprivation being activated. The issue is not whether you have done something sensible or not. It’s whether part of your reasoning was to gain benefit or an increase in benefit. Very difficult to make it stick as the starting point is that the claimant knew the capital limits and the onus to show that falls on the party seeking to change the decision.

    “We sent them a leaflet” or “They must have known” rarely cut the mustard nowadays. You also have someone already under the upper capital limit. Were they to challenge any attempt to argue deprivation tribunals tend to take a dim view of such cases. Deprivation to obtain benefit is always worth examination but deprivation to increase is a much bigger ask as it’s fairly easy to refute.

    #282856
    peham28
    Participant

    Thank you, I must admit I didn’t think it could be deprivation, but wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed anything.

    #282858
    Mike Hughes
    Participant
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