DWP to shed Jobcentre Jobs

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  • #37915
    Lee Fearon
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/may/12/job-centre-posts-cut-2400

    Hmm. Sheding jobs and closing offices even though they’re due to take on UC.

    This is ominous.

    #106731
    dayton609
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    They can barely cope with the current workload as it is. How the **** will a reduced workforce cope with additional work created by UC :~

    #106735
    Anonymous
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    [quote=Lee Fearon]They could outsource it.[/quote]

    Doubt it, costs more

    #106740
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    I am not sure why it is “ominous”. It is hard to argue against a position that the public sector has become very large anyway. UC is a long time yet – 6 years to go until fully in place and 2020 is more realistic I reckon.

    #106741
    Lee Fearon
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    [quote=MartinW][quote=Lee Fearon]They could outsource it.[/quote]

    Doubt it, costs more[/quote]

    Martin

    We’ll see.

    Peter

    1. We’re on the brink of a recession and unemployment/JCP workload is likely to increase. Some Public sector employees will
    2. It’s not front offices but back office processimg centres that are being closed.
    3. As you know, the plan is to “phase in” UC from 2013.

    #106745
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    Well yes but whether 2013 is realistic except for a very few cases is as yet unclear.

    #106734
    Lee Fearon
    Participant

    [quote=dayton609]They can barely cope with the current workload as it is. How the **** will a reduced workforce cope with additional work created by UC :~[/quote]

    Damian

    They could outsource it.

    #106756
    dayton609
    Participant

    Lee, you may have a point :~

    #106757
    John Boxall
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    Given the current level of uncertainty though it doesnt seem like outsourcing is going to be very attractive for either party though…….

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #106759
    Kay_Tade
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    [quote=Lee Fearon]Waiting in the wings are the private sector companies with experience of operating public sector contracts via large offsite processing and call centres.[/quote] OMG! 0:)

    [quote=John Boxall]Given the current level of uncertainty though it doesnt seem like outsourcing is going to be very attractive for either party though…….[/quote]

    Not being cynical 0:) but it could put the blame, if anything goes wrong, on the company the work is outsourced to! J)

    #106800
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Atos Healthcare, for example, or that company Hayley the jobs buster works for (can’t remember their name)

    #106755
    Lee Fearon
    Participant

    OK. This is pure speculation, of course. But, I’ll take a punt.

    DWP are considering closing processing and callcentres. Sheding jobs at a time when their workload is set to increase due to both rises in unemployment and the planned take on of UC.

    These call/processing and jobs are located in areas of high unemployment which will be exacerrbated by their closure.

    DWP employees currently enjoy the benefits associated with the Civil Service employ, such as reasonable rates of pay and favourable annual leave entitlement, pensiions, employment protection etc.

    The people currently in the jobs about to be lost, will be desperate and their prospects of finding employment on similar terms to those they currently enjoy, in areas of high unemployment, are practically non existent.

    So, these redundanies will create a surplus of welfare processing work. They also ensure there will be a significant number of unemployed ex civil servants with the skills to undertake this work, who will be desperate for the chance of re-employment.

    Waiting in the wings are the private sector companies with experience of operating public sector contracts via large offsite processing and call centres.

    The Government puts this work out to tender and these companies produce cost saving bids, based on the knowledge that there is a plethora of unemployed ex DWP employees with the requisite skill, so desperate for employment that they will be more than willing accept less favourable terms and conditsions than those they previously enjoyed.

    Am I paranoid or do we all need to open our eyes and inhale the aroma of perculating ground beans?

    OMG. Conspiracy theories on a Saturday morning. I’m becoming obsessed!

    #106804
    Lee Fearon
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    John B

    Pure speculation, as I said. But given that unemployment is set to rise, the Goverment may be thinking, why wait to see how UC pans out, lets outsource some of the current work now.

    We all kmow they’re keen to privatise anything that’s not rooted to the Earth’s core and it would give private companies the chance to see how they’d cope with large scale claims processinhg in the run up to the introduction of UC.

    I can’t really think of any other valid reason for DWP to close processing and call centres when the number of uneployesd is set to soar.

    It also ticks another box for the Gov’t in respect of their commitment to cut public expenditure and create jobs in the private sector

    #106818
    John Boxall
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    See

    http://www.monbiot.com/2011/05/16/a-death-foretold/

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

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