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  • #20112
    Anonymous
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    http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032275.htm

    Just found this on the HMSO new legislation page. I haven’t even opened it yet, I’m all a-tremble

    #2069
    Anonymous
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    On first reading I’m disappointed. Doesn’t seem to clear up most of the sensible points that people like Mark have been putting to DWP with great clarity.

    #2070
    Mark
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    Yeh – me too! See if you can work this one out….Regs 2(6) and 2(10) omit those new non-dep deduction regs 11 (in HB) and 19 (in CTB) that were added in by SI2003/325. Presumably, this is because as discussed in a previous thread they were supposed to apply to all claims. But can anyone find where these non-dep deduction rates have been added back into the main HB/CTB regs? I can’t see them and I wonder whether they have been left out in error? Please find them for me!

    #2071
    Anonymous
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    Curiously enough, I think the non-dep deduction for someone on Pension Credit is one thing that [b:8a019ed7ad]has[/b:8a019ed7ad] been done properly, with very economic drafting that kind of restores faith.

    First, the new SI is universal in its application: it does not just amend for obver 60s, it amends for anyone to whom the amended legislation applies.

    Regs 3 & 4 of the new SI amend the main HB and CTB Regs, for everyone as I see it.

    By amending the definition of remunerative work in the main regs, the new SI at Reg 3(2) and 4(2) ensures that any non-dep who gets Pension Credit is treated as not in remunerative work. In HB, that’s enough to apply the minimum non-dep charge to all PC recipients. In CTB, a further amendment is made in Reg 58(2) to say that a non-dep on PC attracts no deduction unless they are in full time work and only treated as not in work by virtue of Reg 4(5) as amended. As I read it, this puts a working non-dep on PC into the default £2.30 bucket: not treated as in work, but not covered by the complete exemption either.

    And that seems to apply to non-deps in any household, irrespective of the claimant’s age.

    Good minimalist drafting, I say.

    But I’m not so convinced about some of the other difficulties that these new Regs are supposed to put right:

    – the whole 6 October v 13 Ooctober thing
    – the scope of the changes delayed by the 26-week non-dep rule (just the charge, or other stuff too?),
    – the question whether there are two changes to apply when Pension Credit is awarded/stopped/changed (just the PC change itself, or the underlying change in income/family make-up etc)

    On a superficial skim-reading, it looks to me as if it’s as-you-were on these questions. Hoping I’ve read too quickly …

    #2072
    Mark
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    Good stuff Peter – thankyou. Non dep deduction rates do indeed now fit the policy intention. I think the best way of seeing the new amendment regs is to say that Reg 2 only applies to pensioners because it only amends the original SI2003/325 but Regs 3, 4 and 5 amend the HB/CTB and D&A regs as they apply to everyone.

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