jointly held capital – trust?

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    emmadring
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    Hi all and Happy New Year! Would anyone like to offer an opinion on an appeal I am looking at?

    Mr B claimed CTB April 2006. Mr S returned from working in Saudi Arabia in August. Mr S claimed CTB at the same property and declared a number of bank accounts (most with HSBC Malta) which were in the joint names of Mr S and Mr B. Because the accounts were in joint names, Mr S and Mr B were each treated as possessing half the capital value of the joint accounts (about £65,000 each). Mr B has now appealed the valuation of his capital.

    He states that the monies in the Malta acounts originated solely from Mr S, while he was working abroad. The accounts were put in joint names so that Mr B could use the money to manage Mr S’s properties, as access to and from Saudi Arabia is restricted. Apparently Mr B would not use the accounts unless asked to. To add another fly to the ointment, Mr B states that the accounts were fixed term offshore accounts which could not be accessed anyway.

    My question is, should I treat them both as joint beneficial owners of the joint accounts and therefore as possessing 50% of the total value each, or is there a trust over the monies so that although Mr B is a joint legal owner, he has no beneficial interest?

    To make it more confusing, Mr S and Mr B have now written to the banks concerned stating that the money is not held on an equal basis and requesting that the Malta accounts be put into the name of Mr S. We have treated this as deprivation, which Mr B is also appealing. The fact that the joint account has now been severed in unequal shares makes me think that they were not joint beneficial owners while the account was still in joint names.

    Any ideas?!! 🙁

    #12118
    Kevin D
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    Some earlier threads may be of help (covers “whose” capital as well as notional cap – CDs quoted):

    new.hbinfo.org.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5622
    new.hbinfo.org.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6467
    new.hbinfo.org.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6922
    new.hbinfo.org.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6935
    new.hbinfo.org.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7902

    Regards

    #12119
    emmadring
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    Thanks Kevin.

    Unfortunately most of the CDs are concerned with situations where the claimant possesses money in their sole name but which they state actually belongs to someone else.

    I have just come accross CD 2283/2006, which answers one question and raises another! That case was similar to mine in that the claimant and another person held a joint account but the money in the account was said to belong to only one of them. Commissioner Jacobs referred to CIS/7097/1995 (which I also have), where it was held that what is now reg.51 only applies to joint beneficial ownership, not to situations where the asset is held in undivided shares. A bank account is in undivided shares (well, according to the claimant none of it is his at all), so therefore reg.51 doesn’t apply.

    So how do I treat the accounts now?!!

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