Local Council Tax Benefit consultation document

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  • #38677
    guy
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    They have just published this.

    http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/localgovernment/localisingcounciltaxconsult

    On first reading perhaps I should have given this post it’s actual name Localising support for council tax. As there are options to consider an enhanced working age council tax discount system. Sorry just my bias is Council Tax Benefit of course. 🙁

    #109200
    jmembery
    Participant

    Ahhh, they are proposing the worst of all worlds, a hybrid scheme that prescribes enough that we are forced to purchase new software from a major supplier whilst forcing us to give less to non-pensioners and leaves us to take the blame as deciding who takes the hit is down to local discretion.

    #109201
    guy
    Participant

    I agree. It seems to be a case of leave pensioners alone. Make work pay. Software suppliers will want their pay day at the end of the day. It will be all to easy to blame the council for the remaining working age groups, because we have to find 10% somehow. 🙁

    #109202
    RobBox
    Participant

    It’s going to be a DISCOUNT :beer:

    #109203
    chris harvey
    Participant

    Can’t see anyway you can pay 100% rebate for working age passported people. If pensioners are protected and we have to avoid disincentives to work and support the aims of Universal Credit there is only one area for the axe to fall.
    Memories of the minimum 20% liability for Community Charge are flooding back, it was almost impossible to collect it!

    #109207
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Pensioners are excluded as they tend to vote. Or is that me being cynical.

    #109209
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I forsee the return of “passports” for pensioners so they won’t need to claim at all if they are getting pension credit. But what happens when the universal state pension comes in and there is no pension credit any more?

    #109210
    RobBox
    Participant

    Got as far as data exchange…….before cup of coffee.

    Seems CTAX dept could get notified if clmt is a category A, B, C, etc depending on details given when claiming UC. This in turn will attract a certain level of discount to be applied to bill….simple.
    Not much of a role for existing benefit staff really?

    #109211
    deh050
    Participant

    Has it crashed ? When trying to link from CLG to Document I get -page not available !!!

    #109212
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Rob, I think we knew that. Interestingly enough, DCLG seems to think we will still need a fraud officer! The main thing I’m getting from this, as a District, is that the County Council host the scheme but the Districts administer it. I thought this was supposed to be about reducing bureaucracy

    #109213
    guy
    Participant

    I think it was a close run thing back when Pension Credit was introduced in Oct 1993, I think, that they considered passporting the Savings Credit only claims to maximium CTB and HB. Probably down to the cost. It would have made all that AIF, modified AIF and AIP business redundant. I have been trying to squeeze the PDCS on pensioners and UC, but their lips are sealed until this autumn.

    #109214
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    [quote=Iain Billinger]Pensioners are excluded as they tend to vote. Or is that me being cynical.[/quote]

    Not cynical at all. They’re making no secret of the pensioners being protected either as they mention it on every other line it seems. Going all out to secure an overall majority for next time as this will have been up and running for a year or so by the next election. In theory.

    #109223
    Lee Fearon
    Participant

    [quote=RobBox]Got as far as data exchange…….before cup of coffee.

    Seems CTAX dept could get notified if clmt is a category A, B, C, etc depending on details given when claiming UC. This in turn will attract a certain level of discount to be applied to bill….simple.
    Not much of a role for existing benefit staff really?[/quote]

    Rob

    Don’t think it can be that simple. We are receiving between 150 and 300 daily updates via ATLAS and that’s just Tax Credit info. So, volumes are likely to be a problem.

    Also there’s non deps to consider If we are going to do away with non dep charges,this will increase costs considerably.

    Then, there’s the implied reliance on provision of data from DWP/HMRC, which is ambitious considering the Gov’t record on IT developments.

    To say nothing of the resources required for appeals and fraud.

    The ideas put forward appear to be pedicated on UC working efficiently and the entitlemrnt info being made available to LAs. However, even if everything runs to schedule, UC will not be complete until Oct 2017, whereas introuction of the CTB replacement is schduled for April 2013.

    All things considered, I’m not running up the white flag just yet. I just hope that the coalition are serious about consultation, as there’s a lot for LAs to think about and if it goes wrong, we’ll be left holding the baby.

    #109224
    RobBox
    Participant

    Sorry Lee, I was adding a touch of sarcasm. I re-read this last night and am struck by the enormity of what the DCLG think L/A’s can / must acheive.

    LHA had various pilots, years of lead-in, and shed loads of money thrown at it to get it off the ground but was tiny compared to this, which is expected to be delivered in a very short time frame. :O

    #109228
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    Housing costs in UC would just be presumably just be disregarded in much the same way as DLA/AA is when we assess HB/CTB claims now. The UC letter/CIS screens would show the breakdown (as the AIF for PC does currently) and we would only use income that we currently take into account – less 10%/15%/25% whatever to cover these extremely well thought-out and methodically costed reductions that have been formulated.

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