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[Julian Hobson]

Anyone out there will ing to share their assessment of the impact in your area ?

I have used the data from stats 121 and 122 output to do some calcs here and find that if protection extends to Pensioners, the disabled, those in work and those with children:

The burden falls on somewhere between 17% and 34% of the CTB population depending on whether their circumstances also mean they are protected notwithsatanding receipt of JSA/IS.

The reduction in CTB award ranges between 56% and 28% again depending on numbers.

I’m thinking it is much closer to 56% than 28%.

Anyone elses predictions gratefully received.

[dwortley]

I have undertaken a similar piece of work have have established that 46% of customers are pensioners, and for the remaining working age customers it is roughly a 50:50 split between those on JSA(IB) etc and those not. The figures for the amount of reduction required are very similar to yours.

Cheers

Dave

[nickkeogh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15073105

How will the proposed localised Ctax relief be able to cater for massive job losses in specific areas such as this?

[John Boxall]

Indeed – if the scheme looks like going over budget, can LA’s simply stop paying new claims or do they have to take the risk?

Quite what happens whan the money allowed by The Government runs out does not seem to have been considered.

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

[nickkeogh]

The consultation paper seemed to suggest that the criteria of the local scheme would not allow it to be changed mid-year so we’d be a bit stymied I think.

[John Boxall]

Presumably though as an LA there is nothing to stop you paying some claims on a discretionary basis?

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

[Anonymous]

Julian,

I have done some analysis of our caseload and have details on pensioners, working age, passported,non passported claims and those in work.

I am told by our systems team that they have looked at the stats 121 & 122 but cannot split down the disabled and those with children from these reports.

Did you run other specific reports to get this detail?

[Anonymous]

The major problem on top of the CTB, and I know this is a benefits forum, is that an LA will also be hit by the localisation of Business Rates and the fall in NNDR receipts. A double whammy so to speak.

I do not think anyone will be able to afford to give additional funds towards the shortfall there will be in the DHP allocations from local budgets.

[peterdelamothe]

Iain – surely you meant: “the vast DHP budget will cover all eventualities”.

[Lee Fearon]

[quote=nickkeogh]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15073105

How will the proposed localised Ctax relief be able to cater for massive job losses in specific areas such as this?[/quote]

According to Mr Schapps it’s the responsibility of local councils to stimulate economic growth in their respective areas and the 10% cut in CTB funding will ensure we are focused on the task.

If only they’d have introduced the cut this year. Perhaps the local council could have persuaded BAE to retain local employees.

[simonh]

Jbrady, I can’t help with passported claims, but if you look at your stat 122 it gives a breakdown of cases by premium, so you can identify the number with disability, severe disability and family premiums.

[Julian Hobson]

joanne- Simon is right here – thats how I did it.

as far as working age passported folk are concerned I assumed that only 50% were protected because they have children or a disability (premium receipt no use here).

I suspect that proper analysis of our database might show that more than my 50% are protected thereby shifting the burden towards fewer people and a greater %age reduction each week.

Hope this helps

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your help I have got the data now and the figures are really frigtening.

To protect pensioners (we have a large pensioner caseload), and non passported lone parents and disabled would be 70% of the caseload and 58% of our working age caseload are passported.

[Julian Hobson]

From the House of Lords Grand Committee yesterday. Don’t forget to tune in at 2pm on Thursday:

Lord McKenzie of Luton: On the impact of the taper rates, does the Minister agree that, if you have council tax benefit or its replacement outside the system, you simply cannot be sure what the effect of the withdrawal and taper rates will be? Can you include that benefit?

Baroness Hollis of Heigham: I reinforce my noble friend’s point. As every council tax taper will differ from district to district, and there are some 300 to 400 of them, it will be impossible for anyone to predict who gets what.

Lord Freud: We will have a debate on this matter rather soon, but maybe not today. The only way I can respond is to point out that, depending on how we adjust the system to have what is effectively a tax rebate system outside the universal credit, we could see different effects. Rather than prejudging this, I will reserve that information for another day. We will have plenty of time to deal with it.

[John Boxall]

[quote=Julian Hobson] Lord Freud:……… We will have plenty of time to deal with it.[/quote]

I suspect that the services of his Great Grandfather may be required…………..

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

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