Non dep playing online bingo

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  • #38287
    beky
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    Hi

    Any advise would be appreciated!!

    We have a non dep on a claim whose JSA was sanctioned as he failed to sign. He is now refusing to sign back on as he states he gets more money playing free online bingo. Would this be a nil income assessment or would we need to see bank statements and try and calculate a weekly amount from his winnings or just take a minimum deduction.

    Thanks in advance

    Beky

    #63380
    Anonymous
    Guest

    As he cannot be classed as being in renumerative work you would take the lowest deduction

    #63381
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    Can you find out the name of the bingo website he uses?

    #63382
    michaelh
    Participant

    [quote=nickkeogh]Can you find out the name of the bingo website he uses?[/quote]

    😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

    #63391
    Kevin D
    Participant

    I’d be sceptical of anyone claiming to be an overall winner on a bingo site so there *may* be a case for closer investigation of the clmt’s finances. But, taking it at face value, playing bingo probably counts as gambling. If that is correct, any winnings count as capital – CH/0412/2007 & CH/4143/2007 (same decision).

    As an aside, the law even counts poker as gambling – despite the skill factor involved (Kelly, R v [2008] EWCA Crim 137).

    #63392
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    You’re too cynical Kevin – I’ve seen the bingo sponsors advert during the ad breaks for Emmerdale. They’re all happy and smiling and playing on a beach up in Yorkshire somewhere so they evidently have won enough to give up work and muck about all day.

    #63393
    RobBox
    Participant

    Is this the forerunner for the On-Line claim process for UC?

    #63395
    Kevin D
    Participant

    [quote=nickkeogh]You’re too cynical Kevin – I’ve seen the bingo sponsors advert during the ad breaks for Emmerdale. They’re all happy and smiling and playing on a beach up in Yorkshire somewhere so they evidently have won enough to give up work and muck about all day.[/quote]

    Botheration. I didn’t think far enough ahead to the possibility of such conclusive evidence being made available to a Tribunal :~ . I am sooo naive…. 🙂 .

    [quote=RobBox]Is this the forerunner for the On-Line claim process for UC?[/quote]

    Hmmm…. the similarities: sign up (claim) and be led to believe the “rewards” (entitlement) will be so much greater than they actually are. Still, I bet the notifications of bingo winnings are a bit snazzier than UC notifications….

    #63397
    Lee Fearon
    Participant

    We need to be careful about what we post on here folks. If the coalition gets wind that someone’s claiming to be better off playing online bingo than on benefit, this will be presented as fact and incorporated into the welfare reform programme.

    I can just see the hastily prepared statement by IDS, published in tomorrow’s Daily Mail, “our extensive research shows that welfare recipients would benefit financially if Housing Benefit was replaced with an online bingo card. Apparently those canvassed have bingoing made about the new proposal”.

    In line with the coalition’s promise to incentivise work, those taking low paid jobs, would also be given a Lotto scratch card. However, single claimants aged under 35 would have to make do with a monthly subscription to “Take a Break”, a free pencil and a first class stamp.
    Furthermore, in order to ensure fairness to taxpayers, a tax rate of 90% will be applied to winnings accumulated under this ground breaking initiative.

    Of course, whether social tenants should retain their bingo card or have it sent direct to their landlord in leiu of rent, is still open to debate.

    #107756
    beky
    Participant

    Oh dear what have I started – anyway eyes down for another day!!

    #107758
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    [quote=Lee Fearon] However, single claimants aged under 35 would have to make do with a monthly subscription to “Take a Break”, a free pencil and a first class stamp.[/quote]

    First-class stamp??? Who are you kidding?

    #107759
    John Boxall
    Participant

    [quote=nickkeogh]You’re too cynical Kevin – I’ve seen the bingo sponsors advert during the ad breaks for Emmerdale. They’re all happy and smiling and playing on a beach up in Yorkshire somewhere so they evidently have won enough to give up work and muck about all day.[/quote]

    What, Hartlepool in January? Sleet coming in horizontally off the North Sea as they look for Seacoal?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2001/apr/09/features11.g2

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #107765
    RobBox
    Participant

    Think they still have to shout out “HOUSE”. Similarities keep on growing :O

    #107766
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    If you apply on a Tuesday afternoon then you get one week free, a cup of tea and a scone.

    #107769
    Kevin D
    Participant

    [quote=Lee Fearon]I can just see the hastily prepared statement by IDS, published in tomorrow’s Daily Mail, “our extensive research shows that welfare recipients would benefit financially if Housing Benefit was replaced with an online bingo card. Apparently those canvassed have bingoing made about the new proposal”.[/quote]

    I’m far from convinced IDS is the real problem here. The impression I get is that he is being trampled on by others (such as the delightful Mr Pickles) who simply don’t know what they are talking about (and/or don’t care).

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