Overpayment Recovery in Bankruptcy Cases

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  • #22885
    Anonymous
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    Please would you help me clarify the situation regarding overpayment recovery in bankruptcy cases.

    I have read the Guidance Manual 7.130 to 7.132 and I am confused!

    I have 2 overpayments which were raised in 2004. Both claimants were made bankrupt in 2006. Can we recover these overpayments??

    Thoughts are if the debt was created pre-bankruptcy then it should be included in the bankruptcy and not pursued.

    If the debt was created post bankruptcy, then it is recoverable even if the period of the overpayment moves into pre-bankruptcy dates.

    However, the GM seems to suggest that we can still recover from on-going benefit (or other methods??)

    Please help – thanks ever so.

    Kelly

    #10045
    Kevin D
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    HB can still be recovered. See Steele v Birmingham CC (Court of Appeal).

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2005/1824.html

    The CA judgement overturned an earlier HC judgement.
    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2005/783.html

    Regards

    #10046
    Anonymous
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    I am still a bit confused – Even if the overpayment was created BEFORE the bankruptcy – we can still recover using any method?

    #10047
    Anonymous
    Guest

    YEP 8)
    As Kevin said, the judgement in the Steele case can be applied here.

    #10048
    markp
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    I’ll agree with that – the OP can be recovered citing Steele V Birmingham CC as the precedent for doing so.

    Do I know what I'm doing? The jury's out on that........................

    #10049
    Anonymous
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    I thought it was dependant on the recovery method? Instalments from Benefit ok, but invoice a no no?

    Can we recover regardless now? 😯

    #10050
    markp
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    Andy,

    Definitely from ongoing (via deductions) but not too sure of other methods. I presume via deds from Social Security Bens as well, but what if claim ends after deds taken and a new invoice is raised? I think it may be OK (if not a bit harsh but that’s law for you!!)

    Mark

    Do I know what I'm doing? The jury's out on that........................

    #10051
    seanosul
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    I was slapped down for this before but I will again say and having re-read both cases I am now convinced of this – it will depend on the timing of the bankruptcy and the creation of the overpayment. I may happy to be slapped down again about this but I do think the view yess they are recoverable are wrong.

    I would say in those two cases you have – the answer is no, unless the cases were fraud overpayments in which case the answer is they are definately recoverable.

    In the original High Court decision referred to by Kevin the following categories were suggested

    Category (1): benefits which were awarded and paid to a claimant prior to the date of bankruptcy and the bankruptcy order, and in respect of which a decision that they were recoverable was issued also prior to that date.

    Category (2): benefits which were awarded and paid to the claimant prior to the date of the bankruptcy order, but in respect of which a decision that they were recoverable was issued after that date.

    Category (3): benefits which were awarded prior to the date of the bankruptcy order, but which were paid, and in respect of which a decision that they were recoverable was issued after that event.

    Category (4): benefits which were awarded, paid and in respect of which a decision that they were recoverable was issued, all after the date of the bankruptcy order.

    The High Court did not reject those categories and looked at a case which clearly fell in to category 2. Category 4 is always recoverable. This is in much the same way as a new utitlity bill would be recoverable after a bankruptcy.

    The COA ruled that Category 2 was recoverable in much the same way as another contingent liability. (Gas bil analogy)

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