Supported Accommodation

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    Anonymous
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    #108769
    Kevin D
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    A consultation? Fantastic! Oh, hang on, MORE consultation? Presumably, the last 5 years and 11 months since the DWP’s first public request for feedback – HB Direct 44 in August 2005 – hasn’t been long enough to nail this down.

    And STILL 16 more questions about what changes should be brought in and whether there should be, wait for it……






    ……. yes, transitional arrangements. Obviously, there are simply not enough of these.

    Anyone for fudge?

    #108771
    Mikeb2
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    #108800
    Anonymous
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    Para 56 ‘Those making decisions should have a background in and knowledge of housing procurement and the costs involved in providing specialist housing, or have access to those with such expertise.’

    Para 58 ‘This would take the decision making process away from those responsible for administering Housing Benefit to those with expertise in the local provision of supported housing, creating a joined- up approach to ensure the best outcome for the claimant and the tax payer’

    Can’t argue with the logic but it is yet another activity that is being removed from the HB service.

    #108819
    rebeccadodd
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    J) Yep

    #108834
    Anonymous
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    Allowing input from local service commissioners is what I’ve been arguing for on these pages for a long time – the biggest worry now would be that we end up with a Supporting People v2.0.

    Limited local budgets to fund speciailist accommodation, capped and periodically cut, with growth only possible by making deep cuts to existing provisions…oh, and after a few years the ring-fence may disappear…

    #108843
    michaelh
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    [quote=Kevin D]
    Anyone for fudge?[/quote]

    Ooo live life on the edge mate, that’s the way….. 😉

    #108846
    Kevin D
    Participant

    I’ll have you know that this fudge is particularly stale and hardened…..only for consumption by those inclined to gullability…. :bigsmile:

    #108849
    jmembery
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    In my opinion the main issue with supported accommodation, and the reason for so many of the conflict between legitimate providers and LA Benefits Departments over the years, is and always has been. whether the provision of support is subject to a cash limited budget or not.

    IMO, Supporting People was a Government attempt to exert control over the expenditure on support that providers went along with as long as budgets were increasing. However, when budgets started to shrink, providers decided that actually what that had thought was “support” funded by SP was really “intensive housing management” and therefore not subject to cash limited SP. Instead it was an absolute entitlement as long as they could persuade LAs or the Tribunal Service that the charge was reasonable.

    The new proposals look to me to be another Government attempt to subject the provision of support to a cash limited amount either by LHA plus a bit, or by letting commissioners decide but subject to a cash limited budget.

    Well at least HB services won’t get caught in the middle this time because we won’t be here anymore.

    #108851
    michaelh
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    Nice one Kev – cheered me up no end

    #108856
    RobBox
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    Jeff- stark but true. :beer:

    #108858
    Nicky
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    When we embarked on a root and branch review of the way we handled supported accommodation here, the Turnbull judgment had just been published and was then followed by a number of further decisions by Judge T (in some of which he actually agreed with earlier decisions he had made) and at the time my manager and I looked at each other and in unison screamed “THB 2”.

    I’m with Kevin on this though. How long have we been waiting for clarification or a simpler more robust scheme? If anything we’re probably further away from that now than at any time in the last 5 years.

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    twill
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    #108942
    David
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    One of the more contentious issues with supported accommodation is with the level of service charges in accommodation provided by registered providers

    “74. We aim to support service charges at a level adequate to meet the running
    costs of supported housing, but to ensure these charges are limited to
    genuine housing related costs.”

    Absolutely no thoughts on how to do this. Kevin, yes fudge hardened over many years!

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