Temporary Accommodation-Subsidy

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  • #33853
    ians
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    Hi,
    We’ve received a claim for a homeless person who has been placed by the Homeless Unit in a chain of National hotels. No breakfast is provided.
    Question is what subsidy cell does this fall into under the new rules for 2010/11? Please can you provide any legal references. Any responses gratefully received!

    #94129
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Well I put mine in the LANHRA B&B cell (Northgate), even though they don’t get the B!!! It shares the same subsidy rules as licensed (non self contained) accommodation so I don’t suppose it matters

    #94130
    chris harvey
    Participant

    I’ve been pondering a similar scenario. I understand that if the accommodation is not self contained subsidy will be the 1 bed self contained LHA rate. I haven’t got a problem with that bit. But what if the accommodation is self contained? Bearing in mind most hotels are en suite the claimant will not be sharing a kitchen, bathroom or toilet then most hotel type accommodation will be self contained. Also bearing in mind that it is unlikely your homeless unit have fixed up a short term lease arrangement then the arrangement must either be “licensed” or board and lodge”.
    For subsidy the difference is crucial. From my reading of the circular and the legislation it would appear that if it is “board and lodge” subsidy will be limited to the 1 bed self contained LHA rate but if it is licensed you will get the management and household size extras.
    Now returning to this particular query, if there are no meals being provided does this mean it is not board and lodge? Could an arrangement with a hotel for an en suite room with no meals be classed as a license agreement? I believe it can, so in scenarios where we have a claimant (often with a family) being placed in a hotel without meals I am claiming subsidy based on the LHA rate for the household plus the relevant management add on. I believe I can justify my decision to an auditor.

    #94131
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Well a hotel room is hardly self contained is it? There is a common front door, entrance hall etc. A hotel resident only has a licence, not a tenancy (for various legal reasons) but in short it’s no different to an HMO. As I understand it there is a difference between licensed (self contained) and licensed (non self contained) accommodation for subsidy. Our Homeless section stopped asking for breakfast to be provided because under the old rules they lost out on benefit! When we get audited next year (by ???) we will see who has interpreted it correctly!

    #137185
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    We’re having the same quandary and wondered if there was any kind of resolution?

    #137210
    beth_daly
    Participant

    To be self contained there has to be sole use of a kitchen and bathroom. I assume that the bathroom but not the kitchen part of this are covered and so as there is no breakfast the only option you are left with is Non-Self Contained. This will go into cells 12/13 on the subsidy claim.

    Hope this helps,

    Beth

    #137212
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    Thanks Beth. So even if there were no kitchen/cooking facilities available in the building at all then would you be of the opinion that it would still be non self-contained?

    #137213
    beth_daly
    Participant

    It is my interpretation and has been passed here at audit several times. It’s effectively a B&B without the breakfast!

    #137214
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    Makes sense. Thanks again Beth.

    #137219
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    Thinking about it, it’s irrelevant whether or not the kitchen/bathroom facilities are in the same building anyway. If the building doesn’t have those facilities then by definition the tenant will be sharing those facilities in another building such as a cafe/local baths etc.

    Like back in those films from the fifties.

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