Two More Bits of Good News

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    John Boxall
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    See

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jan/05/george-osborne-benefit-cuts-strivers

    And

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/05/soldiers-nurses-teachers-benefit-curbs?intcmp=239

     

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #126739
    John Boxall
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    And another!!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/benefit-cuts-will-see-more-children-taken-into-care-8440235.html

    It will save a fortune

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    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #126741
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    I think the point is well made that one key issue is the protection given to pensioners….even wealthy ones. This is costing so much of the welfare pot in non means tested areas that the cuts have to come from a smaller and smaller pot….as all of us know from the Council Tax Benefit cuts due soon. Bonkers really to see millionaires getting fuel allowances (which they cannot return or refuse)….

    #126742
    John Boxall
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    [quote=peterdelamothe]I think the point is well made that one key issue is the protection given to pensioners….even wealthy ones. This is costing so much of the welfare pot in non means tested areas that the cuts have to come from a smaller and smaller pot….as all of us know from the Council Tax Benefit cuts due soon. Bonkers really to see millionaires getting fuel allowances (which they cannot return or refuse)….[/quote]

    Of course, what are the costs verses the savings of means testing universal benefits? Given that the state pension costs virtually nothing to administer compared with 10% for Tax Credits, keeping Universal Benefits Universal may be not much more expensive if at all than means testing

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #126745
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    John…you may remember I pointed to a CTB scheme run outside the UK that costs a fraction of the admin that the UK does. The trouble is…our welfare state is too political, too much national government involvement. How much did this 100 million CTRS one year scheme cost …in terms of late changes being made, IT changes, publicity changes, Officer time, publication and resolving queries and so on …compared to how much it would have cost had it just been part of the scheme in the first place? We all know its just political.

    #126748
    bod
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    [quote=John Boxall] Of course, what are the costs verses the savings of means testing universal benefits? Given that the state pension costs virtually nothing to administer compared with 10% for Tax Credits, keeping Universal Benefits Universal may be not much more expensive if at all than means testing[/quote]

    It would cost little, if anything, to stop paying the Winter Fuel payment to high rate tax payers & those who do not have a UK postcode. This information is held so why not use it?

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