Universal Credit and HB

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  • #43983
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefits-reform-under-threat-after-it-glitch-8303835.html 

    So after stories like this and real pressure from private landlords, I wonder if thought is turning to leave HB out of Universal Credit? Not just temp accomm. With Council Tax Benefit left with LA's it would make a lot of sense….

     

       

    #124970
    John Boxall
    Participant

    I’m shocked!

    Where is Captain Renault!

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #124974
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I think one of the key points here is the turnover of staff on the programme. I didn’t see much of Malcolm Whitehouse while i was there, other than a weekly ‘stand up’ meeting he used to do at Caxton House, but i’m sure he did more than that!(?)

    Of real concern is the loss of several key members of staff from the service design and assurance team – people who really knew what UC is supposed to be about, how it should work and the strategic outline. At the time i left a number of people also moved on, most of whom would admit to have been ‘burnt out’ by the rigours of the job and the impossible timescales on delivery. The only way of back-filling the roles was with Capita contractors and people from within the programme ‘acting-up’ or taking on yet more responsibility – all good workers but arguably without enough experience/ understanding of the programme and its over-arching ideals (or rather underlying issues), or not necessarily experts in their areas of responsibility.

    Very few people within the DWP wanted to join the programme. At least that was my impression.

    #124982
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I thought the NI decision on paying L/L’s was a covert get out clause, because we all know it will be cheaper and more accurate for LA’s to deliver direct payment of HB once the pressure mounted over the unfairness of paying L/L’s directly in a small country verses mainland England.

    #124985
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    Plus UC has been delayed in NI for 6 months now. The trouble is that DWP keep telling LA’s to get ready…and that means contracts are being cancelled, staff are being laid off and infrastructure being reallocated behind the scenes.

    So just abandoning all this at this stage will not be easy to reverse….there again, after the Council Tax reduction scheme (where regs will apparently be issued by DCLG AFTER the last legal date to pass a scheme), nothing much would suprise me.

    I am reliably informed by some private landlord members of hbinfo that Lord Freud has been visibly shocked by the responses he is getting from private landlords at some of the events he has attended. Slow handclaps, boos, derision. This, remember, from an audience where he would usually expect a big welcome from natural supporters of his party. These type of responses probably have more impact on politicians than anything else.

    #124986
    John Boxall
    Participant

    [quote=peterdelamothe]Plus UC has been delayed in NI for 6 months now. The trouble is that DWP keep telling LA’s to get ready…and that means contracts are being cancelled, staff are being laid off and infrastructure being reallocated behind the scenes.

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    As far as I can see though the position with LA’s is simply the mirror image of whats going on with the DWP, presumably they must be looking to gear up for UC, training staff getting premises systems, etc?

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #124988
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Their foresight it seems was affected by idealism.

    And I agree I wonder if the natural waste we are seeing here would have been allowed if not for UC, not sure it would have made a difference, we are blessed with a sensible manager, but above her sits many who lack this knowledge and experience and have allowed early retirements and voluntary redundancies that maybe would not have been so easily allowed if the threat of the department being void gradually over the next 5 years was not there.

    This now leaves us under staffed to a level which is close to unmanageable forcing us to find new and creative ways to manage a case load ever increasing, in my humble opinion and I expect many others LA’s are experiencing the same.

    My biggest fear is that this is such a political hot potato that no matter how it looks it will continue to be enforced because it’s a party killer if it does not.

    #124991
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    Maybe but look at where we are now compared to the original “great roll-out of October 2013”:

    a) The roll-out will now be very limited and affect a very small group.
    b) Temp housing costs won’t be included
    c) Pushed back in NI 6 months
    d) Landlord direct being kept there.

    Meanwhile, senoir staff are leaving the development, the S of State was asked to move on, numbers in B and B are increasing dramatically and there is so little political enthusuasm for UC within the coalition. So I reckon I will be adding to the above list in the next 12 months!

    http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/care/number-of-families-in-bbs-rockets/6524620.article

    #124992
    John Boxall
    Participant

    It seems to me though that unless you have a clearly identifiable group – eg Pensioners having claimants who can move in & out of a group where Housing Costs are met through UC is a recipe for chaos.

    In any event the impact of the benefits cap makes the whole of temporary accomodation look like a nightmare as the amount payable through HB will be nothing like the actual costs

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #124993
    peterdelamothe
    Keymaster

    I was actually thinking about the size of this new discretionary pot. How much will have to be in it? Half a billion???

    :bigsmile:

    #124994
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Ahh the welfare snake oil

    #124995
    John Boxall
    Participant

    i remember meeting someone who had been a National Assistance Act Relieving Officer – go out and pay who you want what you want……… With the added ability to tell people to sell their furniture if you say they have to much!

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #125000
    RobBox
    Participant

    I put money on……..someone from the government will announce in the next couple of days that ” we are still on time and within budget”…….just know it 8)

    #125001
    John Boxall
    Participant

    [quote=RobBox]I put money on……..someone from the government will announce in the next couple of days that ” we are still on time and within budget”…….just know it 8)[/quote]

    A sort of Potempkin computer system…………

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #125003
    nickkeogh
    Participant

    I agree – I just wish you would all stop scaremongering and let them get on with it as you are really not helping matters.

    (Apparently there’s a Newsnight special on this week focussing on the smoothness of the pilots and IT delivery).

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