Welfare reform bill debate

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  • #38420
    Julian Hobson
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    The date is set for the second reading in the House of Lords.

    2:30pm on the 19th July.

    That certainly means no committee stage until at least 5th september but I’d wager that we won’t hear any more until after the conference season so 10th October at the earliest.

    I hope this gets the debate it deserves at committee stage in the Lords even if that means less certainty in the short term.

    We will either have a summer of silence or continued conjecture.

    #108679
    Julian Hobson
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    #108680
    michaelh
    Participant

    Sorry if I am being stupid, but what bill are they talking about that is more important than the welfare reform bill?

    Mike

    #108681
    Julian Hobson
    Participant

    Localism !

    #108683
    michaelh
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    Jeez – nice to see they have their priorities right

    #108682
    Julian Hobson
    Participant

    This is how the order reads for the 19th now

    2.30pm Oral Questions
    Dialogue between Indonesia and representatives of the West Papuan operation – Lord Harries of Pentregarth
    Situation in Abyei, South Kordofan and Blue Nile provinces of the Republic of South Sudan – Lord Avebury
    East Jerusalem and the West Bank – Lord Hylton
    Financial problems in the Eurozone – Lord Barnett
    Legislation
    Localism Bill – Committee of the whole House (Day 9) – Baroness Hanham
    Legislation
    European Union Bill – Royal Assent

    I have also looked to see when it might be and it looks like the second reading might be in October because there is business in for the few days in September that the house is sitting. There was howevcer talk of the Lords sitting for longer than the commons in September, so it might be then.

    #108688
    Anonymous
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    Government delays Welfare Reform Bill

    http://www.disabilityalliance.org/welreform5.htm

    #108691
    John Boxall
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    The number of actual or threatened legal challenges to the legislation seems to suggest that it hasnt been as well thoought out as it could be, and given ‘the other places’ reputation, it may be in for a bit of a savaging.

    To say nothing of course of the other little problems HMG currently has to deal with

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #108698
    rebeccadodd
    Participant

    So how does this impact on the timetable for implenentation of UC. I am assuming the 2013 go live is now looking even less likely?

    #108699
    John Boxall
    Participant

    More to the point, what about the new Council Tax Benefit replacement? The timescale for that was always a bit ambitions but it’s now starting to look impossible

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #108706
    Julian Hobson
    Participant

    As it stands at the moment. Local CTB bill before parliament in December ! Debate etc then Royal Assent 6 months later (even with some fast tracking April ?)So where does that leave us in order to procure IT, design a service and scheme, do data take on, assess impact on LA finances for budget planning in sept/Oct 2012, and CT setting in Feb 2013. This isn’t just about getting a Bill out in april 2013 unless the suggestion is that we Bill 100% and rebate after ?

    #108707
    RobBox
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    You could be right. Bill 100% and make anyone who wants help re-apply for the “new” benefit. Could be how to get the 10% reduction. 😉

    #108712
    Julian Hobson
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/housing-network/2011/jul/18/welfare-reform-bill-delayed so it will now be on the 13th September, just before the conference season starts. Just a reminder that the committee stage is when the real work is done and that won’t now be until October. Then the report stage then the third reading, then the consideration of each houses amendments and then royal assent ! So Christmas ?

    #108782
    michaelh
    Participant

    Since the current scandal has emerged(you all know what I mean) I think Christmas is being generous

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