WURTI and NHS payslips

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  • #57494
    Debbie Wake
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    Has anyone else out there noticed the discrepancies in WURTI /RTI data with NHS Trust payslips?

    I have claims recording more than £500 p/m differences between WURTI/ RTI data and actual payslips for the same period

    Anyone have any idea why this may be?

    #162960
    John Boxall
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    I have seen a WRUTI that had the taxable pay but not the gross pay showing……………..

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. The blossom is blighted, the leaf is withered, the god of day goes down upon the dreary scene, and—and in short you are for ever floored.

    Wilkins Micawber, Ch12 David Copperfield

    #162962
    Jenny_Hoare
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    We think it is because of the way employers load the gross pay onto the RTI system, we think they are loading the gross figure as the amount after a pension contributuon has been deducted.

    We have contacted WURTI about this issue and provided examples

    #162990
    graeme
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    We've found a big drawback with Wurti meaning there could be very large overpayments. No salary sacrifices are shown in Wurti. The gross pay is the amount after the salary sacrifice. This is fine in most cases as salary sacrifices are completely disregarded. The problem is where the SS is for childcare. We would reduce the childcare expense figure by the salary sacrifice if we saw the SS on the payslip. However we no longer see the payslip so we don't know the claiamnt is paying for some or all of their childcare through childcare vouchers, so we would be effectively disregrarding the expense twice.

    #162993
    nick dearnley
    Participant

    I've recently dealt with an NHS case where the payslips included £470 a month for salary sacrifice to NHS Fleet Solutions for a car.  The clmt is a midwife, so needs the car for work and the amount doesn't count in the gross pay.  I'm going to see what WURTI has to say but suspect the gross pay ther will exclude the car deductions.

    #163013
    Debbie Wake
    Participant

    One of the cases I has was a salary sacrifice case, we had the payslips to show the take home pay and the salary sacrifice for a NHS vechile but even taking this into acount the difference between the net RTI/WURTI figure and the take home pay was around £700 per month. I now have another case. This claimant is a Heath Care Assistant for example the pay for one month on payslips is £1117.00 with only tax, ni and pension deduction so take home pay is £884.61. The RTI shows that his pay for the same month is gross £2410.016 and net £1811.01

    You see my problem?

    #163015
    graeme
    Participant

    I've seen a few people who work for the NHS who get more than one payslip. There's a possibility the figures are lumped together in Wurti and your claimant might not be giving you the whole picture.

    #163017
    viki_hamm
    Participant

    It may be that they have a salaried position that is paid on 21st of month for instance, and they then do bank work for extra hours which is on a different payroll run, hence the 2 payslips. My husband is a nurse and has confirmed this…

    We've also discovered a few of the employers in the insurance sector are similar, salary paid end of the month, overtime is paid on on a mid month cycle. Always reminding assessors to have a quick look at gross pay on payslips even if they appear sequential.

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